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Post by Weasel on Mar 15, 2005 17:24:58 GMT -5
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Post by ccrobbins on Mar 15, 2005 17:44:56 GMT -5
This is really sweet for newbies. I love it!
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Post by Weasel on Mar 21, 2005 11:34:47 GMT -5
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Post by Calusa on Mar 21, 2005 11:48:01 GMT -5
Attention to detail here..
On that AZ test, are there spelling errors, or alternate spellings for the following?
Saw-Wheat (Saw-Whet)
Feeking (Feaking)
15- Raptor Feathers can be used for what purpose:
Decoration
Imping
Sell to Public
None of the Above.
What about giving them to Indian Tribes?
Either way, 81% on this test.. and one of the questions on it I knew I screwed up on- and it has no back feature..
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Post by Weasel on Mar 21, 2005 13:59:23 GMT -5
American indians require permits to take them as well....We cannot give them out to anyone.
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Post by Minca on Mar 21, 2005 16:09:17 GMT -5
My memory is fuzzy on this but I believe that raptor feathers being donated to native americans but first be sent to the feds who give them to some sort of national tribal high counsel who then divi them out to individuals on a waiting list. Ofcourse, that could just be for eagle feathers....
Not sure about the Saw-Wheat thing. I was told that their name comes from their call sounding like the sharpening of a saw or blade on a whet stone.
Feeking/Feaking I think it depends on who you talk to. I'm sure there are those hardcore falconers out there that insist on proper terminology being used. I remember seeing on a board somewhere a heavy debate that traditionally "bagged game" had never been refered to as baggies and doing so is bad form. But most don't care. Just like what was said in the other thread about female peregrines being the only "true" Falcons, and male peregrines are the only "true" Tiercels. I, personally, feel it's an insult to refer to a female raptor as a Hen. I would never call my hawk a chicken! But if others want to, that's their right...
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Post by Weasel on Mar 21, 2005 17:18:27 GMT -5
Minca, you are correct about the tribal counsel thing. I can't remember the name of the place, but the collect and divide all raptor feathers to those who request them. Each feather is cataloged and serial numbered(yes, each one)
OK, Just a note, we got off topic here so lets move the conversation to another board.
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Post by bobdale on Mar 21, 2005 17:38:52 GMT -5
Geeesh... who got Minca going on tha Hen thing again?  |
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Post by Minca on Mar 21, 2005 17:56:52 GMT -5
Geeesh... who got Minca going on tha Hen thing again? oh...nobody. Just felt like going off on a tangent. Usually I'm able to fight those urges... |
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Post by Ooby on Mar 21, 2005 18:49:58 GMT -5
Bottom line is, weasel is right, falconers cannot give thier feathers to anyone, even native americans. The only people i believe we CAN give them to, are other falconers. Obviously for imping purposes.
And that online falconry test is a joke. I missed 2 out of 100 on my DFG test and failed that online test miserably. A LOT of thier questions are incredibly out dated, and even though that is common for state tests, I'm glad that online test is NOTHING like the CA falconry test.
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Post by Calusa on Mar 21, 2005 19:36:39 GMT -5
Ooby- I can't help but feel that you have a very negative attitude. Twice now you have responded to topics in a very mean, overbearing manner. Other members have been very kind and understanding.. facilitating my want to learn these things.
I am a realist, but it pains me to read things as discouraging and demeaning as your posts seem to be.
Maybe I've just caught you on a bad day.
Surely you weren't born with all the knowledge of falconry. You had to start SOMEWHERE.
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Post by frootdog on Mar 21, 2005 20:35:08 GMT -5
Isn't tribal counsel were people get kicked off survivor? ;D
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Post by Ooby on Mar 21, 2005 20:44:57 GMT -5
hahaha Ok, im not trying to be mean, I even said that on the other thread, im just being realistic. I did make a mistake though i thought your test thread meant you took the state test. That was my bad. In fact, you have asked a lot of good questions. Im just laying it down for you truthfully. The books i gave you are first rate books, everyone will admit that, and im pointing you down the exact road i took that got me a near perfect on my state exam. If you think im being negative or discouraging, well get used to it haha. Negative and discouraging are the two most common things apprentices run into. Sure there are plenty of people who will help you along, but you have to earn it. Falconry is very different than rehabbing birds and doing educational talks with them. There is much more involved, and much much more to learn. If you take that as an insult, well, you will see with time what i mean  The common idea is, if you get discouraged and decide this isnt for you, then you shouldn't be in falconry, because training and hunting a bird your first time is more discouraging than being left at the alter (so to speak). If you get discouraged and say, "pfft im gonna do it anyways" you will usually study harder, and be more determined. Now im kind of breaking that idea because im telling you all this lol, but what the hell, im actually in a good mood today. So if you gotta hate me, hate me. Plenty of people do, but the advice i give out is sound advice and will help you get your apprenticeship going. Falconers are kind of a "tell it like we see it" lot, i know i certainly am. However many on here are very nice and helping people, im more of the helping and not so nice. So don't get offended, just take it with a grain of salt and understand you are entering into apprenticeship, the time where according to other falconers you know NOTHING, and must prove yourself to everyone. But like i said, if you aren't down with that, then perhaps the sport insn't for you. God knows the birds will treat you a LOT worse than i am right now hehe. They won't even smile |
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Post by frootdog on Mar 21, 2005 21:12:02 GMT -5
Ooby, This isn't a forum for hazing as you are doing. You aren't going to make someone a better falconer by consatntly talking down to your peers. This is a close knit fraternity, the sport of kings. We should do everything in our power to encourage, help, and be supportive of others who ask our advice, NOT try to tear them down or discourrage them like you do. Calusa keep asking questions and other will gladdly answer, just igmore ooby's responses.
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Post by Dodes on Mar 21, 2005 21:14:26 GMT -5
Falconry is very different than rehabbing birds and doing educational talks with them. There is much more involved, and much much more to learn. If you take that as an insult, well, you will see with time what i mean This is very true. I have honestly learned more about raptors in general through studying falconry than I ever would've learned from "the really experienced guy" at work. And Ooby's not really that big of an not a very nice person, he's just concerned about the type of people who enter this sport. I believe it was in your introduction where you said something like, "I need another hawk in my life". That raised a red flag with me as well. Hunting hawks are very different than rehabbed or ed. birds. These animals were designed to kill, and hunting with them is the only way to justify having one. Please don't go through all the trouble of obtaining a permit to have a cool pet.  |
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