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Post by LeeSlikkers on Mar 30, 2005 9:32:04 GMT -5
Krider’s Redtail Questions
Well, I am beginning to do some research and am starting to gather as much info as I can on the Krider’s Redtail as it compares to an average “Eastern” Redtail. I am considering possibly releasing my bird and trapping another this fall and would love any input or advise anyone may have on this topic.
1.) Do they typically average the same weight?
2.) Has anyone found that they are more or less “gamey” than an Eastern’s (I ask this because I have heard that the Harlan’ is less gamey on average)
3.) I am located in MI, where would be the closest state that I would be able to find this phase in decent trappable numbers (assuming the state has a non-resident take)
4.) Would they be at home in MI with our heavy cover and many trees? I would assume the state they would be trapped in would be more open than MI but that is only an assumption.
5.) My main quarry is the Cottontail Rabbit…I assume the Krider’s would have no issue chasing these?
Many thanks~
Lee
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Post by Grodus on Apr 21, 2005 12:53:48 GMT -5
Lee,
Several sources I have researched ( Wheeler and Clark ) for example, do not consider the Kriders a subspecies. According to them, the Kriders is a pale morph Eastern RT. If that is the case, we can assume the phsyical proportions would be the same.
As far as where to find them, I am in N.W. Arkansas and 3 Kriders juneniles wintered within a mile of each other near Ft. Smith AR. I have seen good numbers in western Missouri. I was able to trap one of the 3 birds near Ft.Smith and it was about as light as you will see. Her head was as white as a mature Bald Eagle. I didn't want a female and though I knew it was bigger than what i wanted when I arrived at the trap I weighed it anyway. It was nearly 1500g. I tossed it. I tried to trap another one that was small. He killed 4 pigeons in the harness and hit a bc so hard that he caved the side in. I never caught him.
If you are in to traveling fo a particular bird like that, I will keep track of all the Kriders I see this year. I knew the location of 6 different ones this year. You had better have better luck trapping than me though.
Grodus
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Post by LeeSlikkers on Apr 21, 2005 13:01:24 GMT -5
Greetings Grodus...
Thanks for the info on the Krider's. I had all but given up on finding anyone who paid any attention to them If you would, I'd really appreciate any tabs you could keep on the ones you do see. A 10-15hr drive is not out of the question for me and that puts me in western MO at the very least. I'm in south western lower Michigan and have driven farther for less (I'm a recovering duck hunter)
I also have a bunch of different traps that I'm dying to toss out this year and find trapping almost as much fun as flying a bird.
That little male you spoke of sounds like a true feathered demon.
~ Lee
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Post by LeeSlikkers on Apr 21, 2005 13:10:29 GMT -5
Also, you wouldn't happen to have a source where I could find out AR state's non-resident trapping info for Falconers would ya? If it's allowed, dates, cost, etc.
Lee
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Post by Grodus on Apr 21, 2005 13:12:03 GMT -5
Ok Lee, I will have some located. There were a few along major interstates that I was not willing to try. I'm working on my own arsenal of traps too. I WILL be better prepared this year!
I havent been in Nebraska and Iowa lately but i hear they have good numbers of Kriders too.
Grodus
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Post by Grodus on Apr 21, 2005 13:22:03 GMT -5
Lee, I posted before I read your second reply.
Arkansas allows non-resident trapping even to apprentices. I met an apprentice at the TX meet that lost his kestrel to a Coop on the last day of the TX season. I told him he could go to AR and trap until Jan.31. He was able to go there and trap a bird. Other surrounding states will not allow an apprentice non-resident take.
Trapping season opens Sept.1 and closes Jan.31. Trapping is allowed Friday-Monday only.
It requires only a non-resident hunting license and I think we have a 5 day license available. It's 55 or 35 dollars, I don't remember.
Grodus
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Post by LeeSlikkers on Apr 21, 2005 13:24:42 GMT -5
Great, that all sounds very reasonable (except the odd thing about no trapping on tue-thur) I'll defiantely keep my ears peeled for sighting of any Krider's in the Iowa area too as I think my Sponsor has an old buddy who lives right on the Miss. River and traps off a fairly decent flight corridor that has been one of his personal secrets for years.
Thanks again,
Lee
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Post by Grodus on Apr 21, 2005 13:31:24 GMT -5
You're Welcome,
That closed season on Tue- Thur allows for a longer trapping/take season. I think the feds allow 180 days total for passage and eyess take. Our Eyess season is March1-July31 , again Fri-Moday. I think it is pretty clever. Feb and Aug are the only months that you cant leagally take a bird here.
Grodus
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Post by LeeSlikkers on Apr 21, 2005 13:34:05 GMT -5
Ahhh, the does make sense now that I see if from that angle. We'd never get anything like that passed around here as our Audubon society is in rather tight with the state and prettymuch controls our trapping regs.
Lucky AR seems to have good head on their shoulders!
Lee
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Post by Grodus on Apr 21, 2005 14:49:13 GMT -5
Well the Head of our migratory birds is a falconer and if I understand correctly, the regs were largely written by her and another falconer.
Unfortunately, we have no Gos's, HH, or large falcons. But you could fly a MS. Kite or a Harrier if you wanted to. HA HA.
Does you state allow a non-resident take for Goshawks?
Grodus
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Post by Grodus on Apr 21, 2005 15:55:28 GMT -5
Lee, Here is a pic if my first bird, not a kriders in the true form but some kriders influence no doubt  Grodus |
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Post by LeeSlikkers on Apr 22, 2005 5:51:37 GMT -5
Great looking bird, I can definitely see the Krider’s influence on that bird, much much whiter than our standard eastern RT. Is that the male you spoke of that took 70 rabbits?
MI just started allowing the legal take of Goshawks. We are allowed a whopping 2 birds for the whole state…and the permit is issues on a draw basis, which I believe is open to non-residents as well. Out of the 2 permits issues this past season only one was filled…kinda sad.
Lee
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Post by Grodus on Apr 23, 2005 9:03:11 GMT -5
I would have thought that the Gos would have been more available in MI. Sounds like it would be pretty tough to take one there.
Grodus
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Post by Weasel on Apr 24, 2005 16:00:48 GMT -5
Great discussion guys. Glad somone had some info on the Kriders! I have seen one or two of them, but they are not very common here in Texas(as far as I have seen)
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Post by frootdog on Apr 24, 2005 19:47:07 GMT -5
Hey Weasel. A mutuall friend of ours that keeps tabs on local hawk populations knows an area near me that the kriders come through every year. It's just north of the grain towers in Saginaw. I can't remember what month he said they always show up.
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