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Post by swblade5984 on Sept 16, 2005 1:50:33 GMT -5
if i were to start with a red tail then go to a gyr maybe gyr hybrid would i want to start with a female rt? or a male.... would want to go to male gyr. any help?
talking size
would items transfer over ie; hoods?
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Post by Falcon (I) on Sept 16, 2005 8:17:27 GMT -5
From what I have read Id proberbly go from kestrel to gyr since they are both Falcons and training techniques would have similarities. where as training a rt would be very different for eg most people dont wed rt to lures (right?) but with Falcons its mandotary.
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Post by swblade5984 on Sept 16, 2005 9:28:24 GMT -5
just talking size...  thanks for the extra info... |
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Post by BlueTiercel on Sept 18, 2005 20:09:50 GMT -5
Ok,
This has been discussed on another forum as well I think, progression of the falconer. I am just an apprentice but from what i hear from people and these are hardcore falconers really doing it, not just theorizing, if you want to fly falcons you gotta fly others before you just jump in waaaaaay over your head. my sponsors husband has mentioned to me a practical progression would be kestrels,(and you gotta be consistently killing game here, not just having the bird), merlins, tiercel peregrine and eventually a female peregrine if say i want to hawk black ducks on the salt marshes.
what stage are you at anyway? Take it all as it comes. It is nice to dream of someday flying this or that but it's step by step and focus on what is at hand. all of falconry is hard..and if you are serious and committed eventually you will "master" certain things. What I do as an apprentice is read all I can ,(for about 2 years now)..talk to people, get a mentor, a sponsor, i never asked anyone to be my sponsor..it was just obvious. Anyway, enjoy it all, if it's real falconry it's gonna be awesome anyway. i have yet to go but buteos and bushytails sounds like a blast! something I will be doing for sure. Good luck and find a hardcore hawker near you to help you out. Carl
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Post by CHRIS on Sept 20, 2005 17:16:02 GMT -5
I think you're looking at the wrong game plan here. You indacate size as referrance well it don't matter. I your looking to save on furnature by reusing your rt furnature on your future gyr then you're making a mistake thinking that in general there would be a difference. Hoods in my opinion should be fitted to the indavidual bird, bells should be purchased as you get a bird and you will most likely brake or loose them before you get to a gyr any way so it won't matter. Remember that there is as big a difference between male and female gyr as rts and gyrs, male and female, which ever way you want to cross it. as for your glove it's not a big deal they don't really change any in size for the mid size birds, ( in this case male coopers up to female gyrs and rt's) one would normally use a smaller glove for Kbirds, merlins and sharpies, and perhaps tercil coops, a medium sized glove for up to the female gyrs and rt's perhaps a slightly longer cuff for furgies and then a specialty glove for eagles. So things aren't going to change much between rt's and gyrs based on the gender of the bird. As for training well that is a different kettle of fish and I tihnk some of the others have gone there already, thow I may not agree with comparing kbirds and gyrs when it comes to training, merlins and gyrs yes they have simalar behavior patterns, perhaps even prairries for the hunting styles, but the progression as laided out by BlueTiercel I hold to closely to. Sorry blue but that's just my opinion.
Chris
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Post by Minca on Sept 27, 2005 19:50:16 GMT -5
swblade,
if you're wanting a gyr, first of all, your most likely looking at buying one, which can get way up there in price. I think standard, non fancy ones, start at like $3,000. And if you spend that much on a bird you definately want telemetry so you don't lose it, that's another $600-1,000. Now, if you can afford all that, why even try to save money with used equipment from your redtail?
Here's my suggestion: fly your redtails, just because kestrels are falcons doesn't mean they are anything like the larger falcons. When you turn General get a merlin, they will teach you about the very long tailchases across country that you'll be dealing with from a gyr and give you the chance for the first step in your financial investment of having to get the telemetry. Then trap a prairie so you can learn exactly how nasty a falcon can get and get in some larger falcon experience. Then get your gyr.
Good luck.
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Post by frootdog on Sept 27, 2005 21:03:16 GMT -5
I have to agree with Minca here. My guess is that you are a first year apprentice or even pre apprentice. Read, Read, Read. Read every book on falcons (of all types) that you can find. Remember the golden rule Fly the bird that you can provide game for. I definitly would not spend a fortune on a bird if it were my first falcon. Even with all the fancy telemetry a poorly trained bird will take off and you will NEVER see it or your transmitter again. I would start with a merlin or prairie as well. If you can find them in your area then the cst is negligible and if they fly off they have a good chance of surviving. If you have no access to ducks or upland game birds forget the falcon all together.
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Post by Weasel on Sept 28, 2005 7:55:43 GMT -5
Well, I will agree with both Minca and Frootdog on this one too.......Just because I don't like those pointy winged things......:-)
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Post by Minca on Sept 29, 2005 10:55:58 GMT -5
I just don't see the reason in buying a bird when I can trap one for free. And to be honest, I think the mews itself is the only thing that would be reusable between a RT and a Gyr, and even then you would still have to change the perching since gyrs have different perching requirements. Chris is right, nearly everything is different and subjective. A gyrs head and beak structure is different enough than a RT to require a different hood, even if they were the same size. By the end of a season or two, the glove you use with your redtail is gonna be nasty, crusty, and stiff so you'll want a new one of those anyway. Really well greased and maintained jesses and well maintained leashes "might" be reusuable, but if I were to spend a few grand on a bird I'd rather have brand new equipement to put on it, especially if it only meant tacking on onther $20 in materials to make them.
If, after reading all this, swblade, you still don't understand why we cringe at the very concept of your question then I don't think you're gonna get any help from us.
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colohen
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Post by colohen on Oct 1, 2005 3:24:49 GMT -5
Easy Minca, give him a fair chance!
It was Chris that made the reference to the transferal of equipment . Swblade may have been considering the concept of size and attitude compression between the two spices ! ??
If you have been at this for any time at all then you will know any thing you use that is actually on one bird , with exception to electronic equipment , will be worthless after a time.
I wouldn't put a old set of bells on a new bird. Not after my birds get through with them! The hood may be an exception if it is well taken care of.
As for starting with a Kestrel and working your way up? A Caracara is in the falcon family but you might as well be preparing to fly a vulture! The Kestrel does not have the same hunting methods nor do they have the same vision as a Gyr.
My suggestion Swblade, work out your apprenticeship with RT's. Male/Female is not impotent. And if possible , find some one in your area flying long-wings. When you get your generals, get a Peregrine or Perlin-HB for two or three years, then when and if your confident enough, get your a Gyr !
By then you will know if you wont a male or female. 
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Post by frootdog on Oct 2, 2005 19:27:48 GMT -5
Easy Minca, give him a fair chance!
It was Chris that made the reference to the transferal of equipment . It was Swblade that first asked about equipment. NOT Chris. It is the last line of the opening post of this thread. I don't think anyone is being too hard on swblade. He DOES need to thoroughly research what he is getting into. The very question of reusing gear states the fact that he knows nothing about flying falcons. By the way my bells last season after season. They are noble bells and well worth the money. If you are using cheaper bells then it may well be that they do not last more than one season. |
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jobbyjob
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Post by jobbyjob on Oct 3, 2005 23:22:28 GMT -5
the guy pm'd me looking for a sponser....... anyone see whats going on here?
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Post by ccrobbins on Oct 4, 2005 6:54:38 GMT -5
nope, What?
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Post by Weasel on Oct 4, 2005 8:14:05 GMT -5
Looking for a sponsor to become a falconer?
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, If you have goals for your self then stay with them, just be shire you follow the path of good falconry and not go off half c#cked just because you wont a certain bird, It would be bad for you and the bird!
