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Post by frootdog on Aug 29, 2005 2:51:06 GMT -5
That is one persons opinion. Read Desert Hawking with a little help... by Harry McElroy. He has a far different opinion on the passage coop. From the ones I've worked with in rehab they just take a while longer to come around. They require precision wieght control and freakish patience. They always seem to be thinking about how they can kill the person that is holding them.
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Post by ccrobbins on Aug 29, 2005 6:53:45 GMT -5
That is one persons opinion. Read Desert Hawking with a little help... by Harry McElroy. He has a far different opinion on the passage coop. From the ones I've worked with in rehab they just take a while longer to come around. They require precision wieght control and freakish patience. They always seem to be thinking about how they can kill the person that is holding them. Sounds like I have been married to a coop then....... ;D |
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Post by demarest on Aug 30, 2005 18:23:22 GMT -5
weasel-
i hope that isn't true for your sake. those things look wonderfully evil. It sure would suck to be a pigeon!
-desmaret
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Post by pairogreensox on Nov 30, 2005 4:50:44 GMT -5
Is their anyone currently training a coop? I've flown spars for years and am thinking about getting a coop. But, I've been told a few horror stories about them. Are they all aggressive or (like spars) just the imprints?
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Post by Weasel on Nov 30, 2005 10:01:03 GMT -5
I have talked with several folks that have flown them and they seem to think that they are not too bad. In the little mind of a coop, they seem to think they are bigger than you are and they will try to assert themselves on you in your not careful from what I have seen. It's just a matter of both parties coming to an understanding.
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Post by pairogreensox on Nov 30, 2005 10:25:36 GMT -5
I'm living in ireland at the moment and only have access to captive breed birds. The breeder is insisting that parent reared birds are 'Untrainable" (Which I find hard to believe).
Instead he recommends a créche reared bird train to a lure (to avoid associating the fist with food. Which he recons will reduce the aggression towards the falconer).
Is their any truth to this?
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Post by ccrobbins on Nov 30, 2005 11:19:56 GMT -5
I know of 2 people who are flying passage birds and so far are having really good luck. It just took a while to man them is the only draw back they have mentioned.
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Post by wilded on Nov 30, 2005 21:52:58 GMT -5
If you are going to the Texas meet in January talk to Jack Mangum. He is a coopers master and has manned and trained many.  |
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Post by john on Dec 12, 2005 21:36:18 GMT -5
Hello, all. I'm new to the board. It looks great by the way. One of the topics I hoped to find was Coopers, and here it is.
I've raised and molted one imprint coops and am currently flying a September-trapped passage coops and IMHO the passage bird is FAR easier. This passage was eating the second day, jumping the third and flying free in about 3 weeks. Could have been sooner. I'll never raise another imprint after having this bird. I basically used Bill Boni's method from "A tale of two passagers" which was re-printed in an American Falconry a while back. I was amazed how this bird trained. Has really got me hoping to fly a passage gos down the road. Not having to deal with any aggression and/or screaming is great.
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Post by Weasel on Dec 13, 2005 12:10:53 GMT -5
I was going to trap one this year, but time limitations have put that out for this season at least. I will see what my job situation looks like next year to trap one. I have been reading McElroys book Desert hawking 3 on the coops and I have also been taking a bit of info from The Imprint Accipiter on behavioral issues....I do not want an imprint, but I would like a brancher.
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Post by john on Dec 13, 2005 12:32:22 GMT -5
I've never had a brancher, but have known people who took them and had them turn out like imprints. I've also read about people who had them turn out great. I think if you were to try a September passage (mine is a female) you'd be surprised how quickly they train. (2-3 weeks in the house vs. 1-3 months is the way I look at it, with a similar result.) Much like a redtail, but of course smaller and a bit more nervous. This bird in the field acts like any passage redtail I've had as far as following and response. Even with catching sparrows, she is very trusting and never carries. I was amazed with all the horror stories out there. Her speed off the fist is awesome to watch, and I don't even hold her jesses when we hunt as things happen much faster than I can react. Even at her small size (420 g) she grabbed one of our big eastern cottontails, pulled fur, and had it squealing before it pulled loose. I'd like to trap a larger passage and see if that's something I can do consistently, along with Iowa pheasants and maybe ducks. My plan was to hunt quail, but I lost access to my two good quail spots.
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Post by Weasel on Dec 13, 2005 14:29:31 GMT -5
Yea, That's a possibility too. I have several nests of Coops in my area and I could fairly easily trap one at the start of trapping season. We'll see what happens....
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Post by Indyhunter on Dec 23, 2005 18:08:24 GMT -5
I posted this pic earlier today and thought it was a young red tail, I'm not a falconer yet and mistook this for a young red tail. I can tell you it was eating a crow that was less than half its size and the coop was bigger than any crow I have ever seen so I would say they are larger in general than crows by far.  |
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Post by BlueTiercel on Dec 26, 2005 9:46:46 GMT -5
Female, yeah, i would say the females appear larger than crows. Remember that coops are a lot of feathre as they say. long tails etc. So that is a pic of a wild bird you saw? Awesome!
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Post by Weasel on Dec 27, 2005 9:10:58 GMT -5
Are you sure it was a crow and not a grackle or some other black bird? I have been out hawking with a female Harris up north and those crows seemed pretty big even when the Harris took them.
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